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		<title>By: Papers, Please! &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Court hearing in our lawsuit for DHS travel records</title>
		<link>http://www.papersplease.org/wp/2010/08/25/lawsuit-filed-against-dhs-travel-surveillance/#comment-388605</link>
		<dc:creator>Papers, Please! &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Court hearing in our lawsuit for DHS travel records</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Sep 2011 03:18:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] little more than a year after we filed suit on behalf of Edward Hasbrouck against the Customs and Border Protection (CBP) division of DHS to [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Papers, Please! &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Europeans start asking questions about the role of reservation systems</title>
		<link>http://www.papersplease.org/wp/2010/08/25/lawsuit-filed-against-dhs-travel-surveillance/#comment-169911</link>
		<dc:creator>Papers, Please! &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Europeans start asking questions about the role of reservation systems</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Oct 2010 23:51:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to see that &#8212; perhaps as part of the fallout from publicity in Europe (see the links in these comments) for our lawsuit against the DHS &#8212; questions are finally being asked in the European press [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to see that &#8212; perhaps as part of the fallout from publicity in Europe (see the links in these comments) for our lawsuit against the DHS &#8212; questions are finally being asked in the European press [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Edward Hasbrouck</title>
		<link>http://www.papersplease.org/wp/2010/08/25/lawsuit-filed-against-dhs-travel-surveillance/#comment-163142</link>
		<dc:creator>Edward Hasbrouck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Oct 2010 01:04:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Further fallout in Europe, with questions being asked of the European Commissioner, again from Futurezone @ORF.at:  &lt;a href="http://www.futurezone.at/stories/1662811/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Grundzüge des neuen PNR-Abkommens&lt;/a&gt; ("Daten-Wild-West verhindern")</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Further fallout in Europe, with questions being asked of the European Commissioner, again from Futurezone @ORF.at:  <a href="http://www.futurezone.at/stories/1662811/" rel="nofollow">Grundzüge des neuen PNR-Abkommens</a> (&#8221;Daten-Wild-West verhindern&#8221;)</p>
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		<title>By: Edward Hasbrouck</title>
		<link>http://www.papersplease.org/wp/2010/08/25/lawsuit-filed-against-dhs-travel-surveillance/#comment-158505</link>
		<dc:creator>Edward Hasbrouck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Sep 2010 19:10:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Follow-up from: Futurezone @ORF.at: PNR: &lt;a href="http://futurezone.orf.at/stories/1661661/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Massive US-Intervention im EU-Parlament&lt;/a&gt;.  Compare what is being said to Members of the European Parliament by the US diplomats and lobbyists with our &lt;a href="http://hasbrouck.org/blog/archives/001855.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;testimony&lt;/a&gt; to the EP in Brussels earlier this year, and our formal &lt;a href="http://hasbrouck.org/IDP/IDP-ESTA-comments.pdf" rel="nofollow"&gt;comments&lt;/a&gt; on the illegality of the ESTA scheme.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Follow-up from: Futurezone @ORF.at: PNR: <a href="http://futurezone.orf.at/stories/1661661/" rel="nofollow">Massive US-Intervention im EU-Parlament</a>.  Compare what is being said to Members of the European Parliament by the US diplomats and lobbyists with our <a href="http://hasbrouck.org/blog/archives/001855.html" rel="nofollow">testimony</a> to the EP in Brussels earlier this year, and our formal <a href="http://hasbrouck.org/IDP/IDP-ESTA-comments.pdf" rel="nofollow">comments</a> on the illegality of the ESTA scheme.</p>
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		<title>By: Edward Hasbrouck</title>
		<link>http://www.papersplease.org/wp/2010/08/25/lawsuit-filed-against-dhs-travel-surveillance/#comment-158041</link>
		<dc:creator>Edward Hasbrouck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Sep 2010 19:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SG.hu: &lt;a href="http://www.sg.hu/cikkek/76945/a_legiutasok_szemelyes_adatait_koveteli_a_legitarsasagoktol_az_amerikai_kormany" rel="nofollow"&gt;A légiutasok személyes adatait követeli a légitársaságoktól az amerikai kormány&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SG.hu: <a href="http://www.sg.hu/cikkek/76945/a_legiutasok_szemelyes_adatait_koveteli_a_legitarsasagoktol_az_amerikai_kormany" rel="nofollow">A légiutasok személyes adatait követeli a légitársaságoktól az amerikai kormány</a></p>
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		<title>By: Edward Hasbrouck</title>
		<link>http://www.papersplease.org/wp/2010/08/25/lawsuit-filed-against-dhs-travel-surveillance/#comment-158040</link>
		<dc:creator>Edward Hasbrouck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Sep 2010 19:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interview with the travel ("reisen") section of Zeit: &lt;a href="http://www.zeit.de/reisen/2010-09/edward-hasbrouck" rel="nofollow"&gt;"In dieser Datenbank steht, wer mit wem schläft"&lt;/a&gt; ("This database is available, who is sleeping with whom").  One &lt;a href="http://twitter.com/alexlehmannfilm/status/24366379907" rel="nofollow"&gt;commenter on Twitter&lt;/a&gt; summed it up even better: "Du fliegst - Du bist Terrorist. Die USA weiß mit wem du schläfst und welches Buch du liest."

The incidents involving European citizens on Paris-Mexico flights that were forbidden to overfly the US are discussed &lt;a href="http://www.papersplease.org/wp/2009/05/16/air-france-passenger-data-and-no-fly-orders/" rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="http://www.papersplease.org/wp/2010/06/07/another-paris-mexico-flight-barred-from-us-airspace/" rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.]
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interview with the travel (&#8221;reisen&#8221;) section of Zeit: <a href="http://www.zeit.de/reisen/2010-09/edward-hasbrouck" rel="nofollow">&#8220;In dieser Datenbank steht, wer mit wem schläft&#8221;</a> (&#8221;This database is available, who is sleeping with whom&#8221;).  One <a href="http://twitter.com/alexlehmannfilm/status/24366379907" rel="nofollow">commenter on Twitter</a> summed it up even better: &#8220;Du fliegst - Du bist Terrorist. Die USA weiß mit wem du schläfst und welches Buch du liest.&#8221;</p>
<p>The incidents involving European citizens on Paris-Mexico flights that were forbidden to overfly the US are discussed <a href="http://www.papersplease.org/wp/2009/05/16/air-france-passenger-data-and-no-fly-orders/" rel="nofollow">here</a> and <a href="http://www.papersplease.org/wp/2010/06/07/another-paris-mexico-flight-barred-from-us-airspace/" rel="nofollow">here</a>.]</p>
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		<title>By: Michal "rysiek" Wozniak</title>
		<link>http://www.papersplease.org/wp/2010/08/25/lawsuit-filed-against-dhs-travel-surveillance/#comment-154491</link>
		<dc:creator>Michal "rysiek" Wozniak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2010 01:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank You, and good luck!

I have come across information on your suit against the US Gov't and DHS, and the fantastic summary you did. I just felt I should thank You for your effort and bravery.

I just wanted to let You know there are people and organisations all over the world (Poland here, by the way) that see the diffusion of privacy and personal rights and freedoms in America as a very dangerous precedent that might "inspire" other countries (and indeed, often it already does) to follow suit (pun not intended).

I come from a nation that had to fight for independence and freedom many times throughout its history. For 21 years we are finally Free - after almost 200 years of enslavement. I have the distinct privilege to not remember the Polish People's Republic and the times long gone by (I'm 25), but we all here either remember, or simply know (from history lessons, from relatives, from literature) what Orwellian surveillance was like. We all remember or know about the atmosphere, the Kafka-esque processes of law, the fright... And we remember or know what sacrifices had to be made to be finally Free.

Maybe that's why ideas like secret lists, internet filtering and similar ideas meet with a decisive public resistance. For now. But if the USA, the country people 15-20 years older than me saw as a symbol of freedom and one of the only allies we had against the USSR, slides down this slippery slope any more, resistance can only become harder.

The more can we admire what You are doing.

Hence, for Your sake, and for the sake of all the people that watch and see what's going on, I wish you strength and good luck in your fight. In times like these there's always the need for a single fighter to fight for the principles.

It was like that in the fifties in USA with the McCarthy-ism at its height, when Ed Murrow took a stand.

It was like this in the Big Tobacco suits in early nineties when Brown&#038;Williamson almost destroyed Jeff Wigand's life when he took a stand.

And many, many times more. There's a reason the famous Solidarity poster for the June '89 elections in Poland was basically a frame from the "High Noon": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:W_samo_poludnie_4_6_89-Tomasz_Sarnecki.jpg

So once more - all the best, and good luck.

I'll be watching, and with me two Polish NGOs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank You, and good luck!</p>
<p>I have come across information on your suit against the US Gov&#8217;t and DHS, and the fantastic summary you did. I just felt I should thank You for your effort and bravery.</p>
<p>I just wanted to let You know there are people and organisations all over the world (Poland here, by the way) that see the diffusion of privacy and personal rights and freedoms in America as a very dangerous precedent that might &#8220;inspire&#8221; other countries (and indeed, often it already does) to follow suit (pun not intended).</p>
<p>I come from a nation that had to fight for independence and freedom many times throughout its history. For 21 years we are finally Free - after almost 200 years of enslavement. I have the distinct privilege to not remember the Polish People&#8217;s Republic and the times long gone by (I&#8217;m 25), but we all here either remember, or simply know (from history lessons, from relatives, from literature) what Orwellian surveillance was like. We all remember or know about the atmosphere, the Kafka-esque processes of law, the fright&#8230; And we remember or know what sacrifices had to be made to be finally Free.</p>
<p>Maybe that&#8217;s why ideas like secret lists, internet filtering and similar ideas meet with a decisive public resistance. For now. But if the USA, the country people 15-20 years older than me saw as a symbol of freedom and one of the only allies we had against the USSR, slides down this slippery slope any more, resistance can only become harder.</p>
<p>The more can we admire what You are doing.</p>
<p>Hence, for Your sake, and for the sake of all the people that watch and see what&#8217;s going on, I wish you strength and good luck in your fight. In times like these there&#8217;s always the need for a single fighter to fight for the principles.</p>
<p>It was like that in the fifties in USA with the McCarthy-ism at its height, when Ed Murrow took a stand.</p>
<p>It was like this in the Big Tobacco suits in early nineties when Brown&#038;Williamson almost destroyed Jeff Wigand&#8217;s life when he took a stand.</p>
<p>And many, many times more. There&#8217;s a reason the famous Solidarity poster for the June &#8216;89 elections in Poland was basically a frame from the &#8220;High Noon&#8221;: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:W_samo_poludnie_4_6_89-Tomasz_Sarnecki.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:W_samo_poludnie_4_6_89-Tomasz_Sarnecki.jpg</a></p>
<p>So once more - all the best, and good luck.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll be watching, and with me two Polish NGOs.</p>
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		<title>By: Edward Hasbrouck</title>
		<link>http://www.papersplease.org/wp/2010/08/25/lawsuit-filed-against-dhs-travel-surveillance/#comment-153527</link>
		<dc:creator>Edward Hasbrouck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2010 01:40:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SF Weekly, &lt;a href="http://blogs.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/2010/08/edward_hasbrouck_automated_targeting_system.php" rel="nofollow"&gt;Department of Homeland Security Sued Over Secret Traveller Files&lt;/a&gt;: "J. Edgar Hoover might have been proud."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SF Weekly, <a href="http://blogs.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/2010/08/edward_hasbrouck_automated_targeting_system.php" rel="nofollow">Department of Homeland Security Sued Over Secret Traveller Files</a>: &#8220;J. Edgar Hoover might have been proud.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Edward Hasbrouck</title>
		<link>http://www.papersplease.org/wp/2010/08/25/lawsuit-filed-against-dhs-travel-surveillance/#comment-153318</link>
		<dc:creator>Edward Hasbrouck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2010 08:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FutureZone @ ORF.at: &lt;a href="http://futurezone.orf.at/stories/1659227/ rel="nofollow"&gt;Passenger Name Records / Flugdaten: "US-Heimatschutz belügt EU"&lt;/a&gt;.

Portions  of the the PNR showing root access to the Galileo CRS by DHS/CBP, mentioned in the ORF article, were reproduced on &lt;a href="http://hasbrouck.org/IDP/IDP-ATS-investigation.pdf" rel="nofollow"&gt;page 5 of the Identity Project's initial report &lt;/a&gt;on our research into ATS records.

This was a real PNR for a real person obtained from DHS/CBP.  The traveller went from the USA (SFO) to Berlin (TXL) on United Airlines.  She stayed six days in Berlin.  Then she went from Berlin to Prague to London on Czech Airways (IATA code "OK").  Then she stayed for another 6 days  in London.  Then
she returned from London to SFO on United.

The flights on Czech Air were entirely within the EU.  They did not connect to or from flights to or from the US, or on a US airline.  The PNR shows that travel agent issued a separate ticket, and a separate fare, for the Czech Air flights -- they weren't on same ticket with the United flights.

But the travel agent followed standard travel agency procedures and made all the reservations for the entire journey in the same CRS, in this case Galileo (the CRS used by United).  When DHS pulled the PNR, they didn't just pull the portion on United, but pulled the entire travel agency PNR, including the flights on Czech Air.  This confirms that DHS had root access to Galileo, not just access through United , since United would not have been able to see the details of the Czech Air flights and ticket.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FutureZone @ ORF.at: <a href="http://futurezone.orf.at/stories/1659227/ rel="nofollow">Passenger Name Records / Flugdaten: &#8220;US-Heimatschutz belügt EU&#8221;</a>.</p>
<p>Portions  of the the PNR showing root access to the Galileo CRS by DHS/CBP, mentioned in the ORF article, were reproduced on <a href="http://hasbrouck.org/IDP/IDP-ATS-investigation.pdf" rel="nofollow">page 5 of the Identity Project&#8217;s initial report </a>on our research into ATS records.</p>
<p>This was a real PNR for a real person obtained from DHS/CBP.  The traveller went from the USA (SFO) to Berlin (TXL) on United Airlines.  She stayed six days in Berlin.  Then she went from Berlin to Prague to London on Czech Airways (IATA code &#8220;OK&#8221;).  Then she stayed for another 6 days  in London.  Then<br />
she returned from London to SFO on United.</p>
<p>The flights on Czech Air were entirely within the EU.  They did not connect to or from flights to or from the US, or on a US airline.  The PNR shows that travel agent issued a separate ticket, and a separate fare, for the Czech Air flights &#8212; they weren&#8217;t on same ticket with the United flights.</p>
<p>But the travel agent followed standard travel agency procedures and made all the reservations for the entire journey in the same CRS, in this case Galileo (the CRS used by United).  When DHS pulled the PNR, they didn&#8217;t just pull the portion on United, but pulled the entire travel agency PNR, including the flights on Czech Air.  This confirms that DHS had root access to Galileo, not just access through United , since United would not have been able to see the details of the Czech Air flights and ticket.</p>
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		<title>By: Edward Hasbrouck</title>
		<link>http://www.papersplease.org/wp/2010/08/25/lawsuit-filed-against-dhs-travel-surveillance/#comment-152540</link>
		<dc:creator>Edward Hasbrouck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Aug 2010 11:56:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heise.de: &lt;a href="http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/US-Buergerrechtler-klagt-auf-Herausgabe-von-Flugpassagierdaten-1067819.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;US-Bürgerrechtler klagt auf Herausgabe von Flugpassagierdaten&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heise.de: <a href="http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/US-Buergerrechtler-klagt-auf-Herausgabe-von-Flugpassagierdaten-1067819.html" rel="nofollow">US-Bürgerrechtler klagt auf Herausgabe von Flugpassagierdaten</a></p>
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