Comments on: California DMV plans crackdown on “look-alikes” http://www.papersplease.org/wp/2009/05/14/california-dmv-plans-crackdown-on-look-alikes/ Challenging ID Demands Wed, 17 Mar 2010 03:28:11 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Nikatja http://www.papersplease.org/wp/2009/05/14/california-dmv-plans-crackdown-on-look-alikes/#comment-124675 Nikatja Sun, 21 Feb 2010 14:03:26 +0000 http://papersplease.org/wp/?p=603#comment-124675 *Before I go OFF re: idiocy/ignorance ...falderol, THANK YOU BILL WARD!! There are several levels of stupidity going on here & you nailed 2 of them: a) Driving IS a PRIVILEGE b) A governmentally approved photo ID is not only a right, it's a * MUST *! c) PASSPORTS!! (Though I'm not being contentious- yes, I KNOW I'm gonna get slammed by the sensitive.) 1. I have a strong hatred for this country's politics and the FACT that the so-called "Land of the Free" is anything but. As for "Home of the Brave"? Well, to live in America you actually NEED to be brave.. or STUPID. Or, too broke TO MOVE THE FUCK OUT OF THIS COUNTRY, due to the economic TRAUMA that is NOT GOING TO GET BETTER in ANY of our lifetimes'. 2. RE: this absurd proposal, I am absolutely stunned. Our government is galaxies beyond corrupt & believes "we the people" are incredibly STUPID. *UNFORTUNATELY, there's some evidence HERE that backs that up. POINTS IN CASE: - The DMV & Passport Agency requires THUMB-PRINTING. WTF!!??? Facial recognition program vs. THUMB-PRINTING. I'd approximate that 7 of every 10 times someone see's me -whether in person or photographs- I am told I look like Kate Moss. I've played around w/facial recognition databases that match you to celebrities. EVERY TIME, using a variety of my photos, w/out fail I get Kate w/no lower than 91%. A few others listed that exceed 75% are Hilary Duff, Scarlett Johannson & Angelina Jolie. NOT A SINGLE ONE MATCHES KATE MOSS. So YES- this proposal is the epitome of absurd. 3. LYLE: We ALL are already tracked. Liberty in America is long gone. 4. ANDREW: a) would you mind citing a legitimate source re: "..no one needs an actual license to drive. Driver’s Licenses are not supported by the American Constitution and are thus Fraudulent. Anyone may drive regardless of a plastic card that says so or not." I have NEVER found anything to support that. b) ..and IF that is indeed true, why are you trying to obtain a NON-DMV license? IF that's true, why don't you just drive without ANY license? Even if that IS TRUE, *I* wouldn't drive without one & I doubt many others would, too. The HWY Patrol & Police have scanners ALREADY IN USE, that, from their vehicle they scan your license plate & IMMEDIATELY are given info on whether or not the registered owner of the vehicle has a drivers license, whether that license is suspended/revoked AND whether the registered owner has current auto insurance. They do not even have to call anything in- it immediately gives this info on their computer. SO if you like being pulled-over, possibly cited, possibly have the vehicle you're driving impounded, possibly be arrested..go for it. *I* prefer NOT dealing w/any of that & I'm guessing, but I doubt anyone really does, even on principalities, alone. *GRRRRRRRRRR!!!* Alright. So.. let's hear it people. I'm ready. God bless America, my ASS. Nikatja :D *Before I go OFF re: idiocy/ignorance …falderol, THANK YOU BILL WARD!!
There are several levels of stupidity going on here & you nailed 2 of them:
a) Driving IS a PRIVILEGE
b) A governmentally approved photo ID is not only a right, it’s a * MUST *!
c) PASSPORTS!!

(Though I’m not being contentious- yes, I KNOW I’m gonna get slammed by the sensitive.)

1.
I have a strong hatred for this country’s politics and the FACT that the so-called “Land of the Free” is anything but.
As for “Home of the Brave”? Well, to live in America you actually NEED to be brave.. or STUPID. Or, too broke TO MOVE THE FUCK OUT OF THIS COUNTRY, due to the economic TRAUMA that is NOT GOING TO GET BETTER in ANY of our lifetimes’.

2.
RE: this absurd proposal, I am absolutely stunned. Our government is galaxies beyond corrupt & believes “we the people” are incredibly STUPID.

*UNFORTUNATELY, there’s some evidence HERE that backs that up.
POINTS IN CASE:

- The DMV & Passport Agency requires THUMB-PRINTING.
WTF!!??? Facial recognition program vs. THUMB-PRINTING.
I’d approximate that 7 of every 10 times someone see’s me -whether in person or photographs- I am told I look like Kate Moss.
I’ve played around w/facial recognition databases that match you to celebrities.
EVERY TIME, using a variety of my photos, w/out fail I get Kate w/no lower than 91%.
A few others listed that exceed 75% are Hilary Duff, Scarlett Johannson & Angelina Jolie.
NOT A SINGLE ONE MATCHES KATE MOSS.

So YES- this proposal is the epitome of absurd.

3. LYLE: We ALL are already tracked. Liberty in America is long gone.

4. ANDREW:
a) would you mind citing a legitimate source re: “..no one needs an actual license to drive. Driver’s Licenses are not supported by the American Constitution and are thus Fraudulent. Anyone may drive regardless of a plastic card that says so or not.”
I have NEVER found anything to support that.

b) ..and IF that is indeed true, why are you trying to obtain a NON-DMV license?
IF that’s true, why don’t you just drive without ANY license?

Even if that IS TRUE, *I* wouldn’t drive without one & I doubt many others would, too.
The HWY Patrol & Police have scanners ALREADY IN USE, that, from their vehicle they scan your license plate & IMMEDIATELY are given info on whether or not the registered owner of the vehicle has a drivers license, whether that license is suspended/revoked AND whether the registered owner has current auto insurance.
They do not even have to call anything in- it immediately gives this info on their computer.
SO if you like being pulled-over, possibly cited, possibly have the vehicle you’re driving impounded, possibly be arrested..go for it.
*I* prefer NOT dealing w/any of that & I’m guessing, but I doubt anyone really does, even on principalities, alone.

*GRRRRRRRRRR!!!*

Alright. So.. let’s hear it people. I’m ready.

God bless America, my ASS.
Nikatja :D

]]> By: Papers, Please! » Blog Archive » Of course it’s not a national ID card http://www.papersplease.org/wp/2009/05/14/california-dmv-plans-crackdown-on-look-alikes/#comment-108815 Papers, Please! » Blog Archive » Of course it’s not a national ID card Thu, 27 Aug 2009 14:56:25 +0000 http://papersplease.org/wp/?p=603#comment-108815 [...] drivers license, ID card, and ID and biometric database contractor, aggregator, and data miner for California and the majority of other states (and keynote presenter at ICAO’s upcoming Symposium on [...] [...] drivers license, ID card, and ID and biometric database contractor, aggregator, and data miner for California and the majority of other states (and keynote presenter at ICAO’s upcoming Symposium on [...]

]]> By: lyla cavanaugh http://www.papersplease.org/wp/2009/05/14/california-dmv-plans-crackdown-on-look-alikes/#comment-107662 lyla cavanaugh Thu, 13 Aug 2009 08:48:07 +0000 http://papersplease.org/wp/?p=603#comment-107662 Too many things happeneing too fast to take our rights away. A data base once establised, such as this or healthcare national ID, seeming innocent at first, can fall into the hands of an upcoming NAZI style SUPER STATE. Tracking of individuals is dangerous to liberty. Too many things happeneing too fast to take our rights away. A data base once establised, such as this or healthcare national ID, seeming innocent at first, can fall into the hands of an upcoming NAZI style SUPER STATE. Tracking of individuals is dangerous to liberty.

]]> By: Andrew http://www.papersplease.org/wp/2009/05/14/california-dmv-plans-crackdown-on-look-alikes/#comment-106357 Andrew Sat, 25 Jul 2009 09:13:50 +0000 http://papersplease.org/wp/?p=603#comment-106357 I've heard of American Indian reservations issuing NON-DMV Driving Licenses. I'm looking for help in obtaining a NON-DMV license. The DMV is a privately owned Corporation, and no one needs an actual license to drive. Driver's Licenses are not supported by the American Constitution and are thus Fraudulent. Anyone may drive regardless of a plastic card that says so or not. I’ve heard of American Indian reservations issuing NON-DMV Driving Licenses. I’m looking for help in obtaining a NON-DMV license. The DMV is a privately owned Corporation, and no one needs an actual license to drive. Driver’s Licenses are not supported by the American Constitution and are thus Fraudulent. Anyone may drive regardless of a plastic card that says so or not.

]]> By: Bill Ward http://www.papersplease.org/wp/2009/05/14/california-dmv-plans-crackdown-on-look-alikes/#comment-100827 Bill Ward Wed, 27 May 2009 21:58:44 +0000 http://papersplease.org/wp/?p=603#comment-100827 Driving is a privilege, but having an ID is a right. That's why the DMV issues state IDs to people who don't have driver licenses. But it sounds like this plan is applicable to those as well! Fortunately there are other forms of ID one can have, such as a passport, which will allow you to ride trains and planes, at least. Driving is a privilege, but having an ID is a right. That’s why the DMV issues state IDs to people who don’t have driver licenses. But it sounds like this plan is applicable to those as well!

Fortunately there are other forms of ID one can have, such as a passport, which will allow you to ride trains and planes, at least.

]]> By: Mr. Science http://www.papersplease.org/wp/2009/05/14/california-dmv-plans-crackdown-on-look-alikes/#comment-99979 Mr. Science Fri, 22 May 2009 11:01:48 +0000 http://papersplease.org/wp/?p=603#comment-99979 "Driving is a Privilege" is a phrase often heard from DMV/MVC bureaucrats and politicians. (I insist that Driving - or peaceable travel by automobile - is a RIGHT). If that characterization is true, then the Driver's LICENSE is also a 'Privilege'. Since peaceable travel (by air), and a host of other Rights are predicated upon 'Proper ID' (ie the Driver's License), then, now, according to this proposal, all of those Rights are now privileges, subject to cancellation at the whim the DMV/MVC. “Driving is a Privilege” is a phrase often heard from DMV/MVC bureaucrats and politicians.
(I insist that Driving - or peaceable travel by automobile - is a RIGHT).

If that characterization is true, then the Driver’s LICENSE is also a ‘Privilege’.

Since peaceable travel (by air), and a host of other Rights are predicated upon ‘Proper ID’ (ie the Driver’s License), then, now, according to this proposal, all of those Rights are now privileges, subject to cancellation at the whim the DMV/MVC.

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