Comments on: “Secure Flight” data formats added to the AIRIMP http://www.papersplease.org/wp/2009/05/01/secure-flight-data-formats-added-to-the-airimp/ Challenging ID Demands Wed, 17 Mar 2010 04:29:24 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Betsy http://www.papersplease.org/wp/2009/05/01/secure-flight-data-formats-added-to-the-airimp/#comment-108227 Betsy Thu, 20 Aug 2009 07:05:09 +0000 http://www.papersplease.org/wp/?p=550#comment-108227 It would have been much simpler to hold an honest 911 hearing where the real TRUTH came out than spend all this money on security. Let me get this straight--the government is keeping secret lists based on the lie of 911. We get to ask their permission to fly. They get to tell us if we are on their secret list. Wonder if they will station troops at the airport in further violation of our laws. Reasonable security and safety in flight is one thing. Allowing the government to build secret lists is very dangerous. Allowing the government to let you know if you're cleared to fly is a dangerous sacrifice of liberty. Once again, no one consulted the American public. WE ARE THE GOVERNMENT in this country. I say a resounding NO to this ever increasing invasion of privacy and loss of freedom. Once again, this all traces back to 911, an inside job. The lie continues. It would have been much simpler to hold an honest 911 hearing where the real TRUTH came out than spend all this money on security. Let me get this straight–the government is keeping secret lists based on the lie of 911. We get to ask their permission to fly. They get to tell us if we are on their secret list. Wonder if they will station troops at the airport in further violation of our laws.

Reasonable security and safety in flight is one thing. Allowing the government to build secret lists is very dangerous. Allowing the government to let you know if you’re cleared to fly is a dangerous sacrifice of liberty. Once again, no one consulted the American public. WE ARE THE GOVERNMENT in this country. I say a resounding NO to this ever increasing invasion of privacy and loss of freedom.

Once again, this all traces back to 911, an inside job. The lie continues.

]]> By: Today we’re all prisoners in the USA – Papers, Please! « Truth11 http://www.papersplease.org/wp/2009/05/01/secure-flight-data-formats-added-to-the-airimp/#comment-101608 Today we’re all prisoners in the USA – Papers, Please! « Truth11 Wed, 03 Jun 2009 00:10:39 +0000 http://www.papersplease.org/wp/?p=550#comment-101608 [...] Flight scheme will require the same for domestic flights as soon as the travel industry can build the elaborate and expensive infrastructure needed for such a real-time travel surveillance and control program.  Meanwhile, the DHS is [...] [...] Flight scheme will require the same for domestic flights as soon as the travel industry can build the elaborate and expensive infrastructure needed for such a real-time travel surveillance and control program.  Meanwhile, the DHS is [...]

]]> By: Today We Are All Prisoners in the USA « The Vigilant Guardian http://www.papersplease.org/wp/2009/05/01/secure-flight-data-formats-added-to-the-airimp/#comment-101598 Today We Are All Prisoners in the USA « The Vigilant Guardian Tue, 02 Jun 2009 22:57:32 +0000 http://www.papersplease.org/wp/?p=550#comment-101598 [...] Secure Flight scheme will require the same for domestic flights as soon as the travel industry can build the elaborate and expensive infrastructure needed for such a real-time travel surveillance and control program.  Meanwhile, the DHS is [...] [...] Secure Flight scheme will require the same for domestic flights as soon as the travel industry can build the elaborate and expensive infrastructure needed for such a real-time travel surveillance and control program.  Meanwhile, the DHS is [...]

]]> By: Today we’re all prisoners in the USA | Republic Broadcasting Network http://www.papersplease.org/wp/2009/05/01/secure-flight-data-formats-added-to-the-airimp/#comment-101579 Today we’re all prisoners in the USA | Republic Broadcasting Network Tue, 02 Jun 2009 19:36:50 +0000 http://www.papersplease.org/wp/?p=550#comment-101579 [...] Secure Flight scheme will require the same for domestic flights as soon as the travel industry can build the elaborate and expensive infrastructure needed for such a real-time travel surveillance and control program.  Meanwhile, the DHS is [...] [...] Secure Flight scheme will require the same for domestic flights as soon as the travel industry can build the elaborate and expensive infrastructure needed for such a real-time travel surveillance and control program.  Meanwhile, the DHS is [...]

]]> By: Today we’re all prisoners in the USA « The Ruthless Truth blog http://www.papersplease.org/wp/2009/05/01/secure-flight-data-formats-added-to-the-airimp/#comment-101505 Today we’re all prisoners in the USA « The Ruthless Truth blog Tue, 02 Jun 2009 04:59:23 +0000 http://www.papersplease.org/wp/?p=550#comment-101505 [...] Secure Flight scheme will require the same for domestic flights as soon as the travel industry can build the elaborate and expensive infrastructure needed for such a real-time travel surveillance and control program.  Meanwhile, the DHS is [...] [...] Secure Flight scheme will require the same for domestic flights as soon as the travel industry can build the elaborate and expensive infrastructure needed for such a real-time travel surveillance and control program.  Meanwhile, the DHS is [...]

]]> By: Papers, Please! » Blog Archive » Today we’re all prisoners in the USA http://www.papersplease.org/wp/2009/05/01/secure-flight-data-formats-added-to-the-airimp/#comment-101414 Papers, Please! » Blog Archive » Today we’re all prisoners in the USA Mon, 01 Jun 2009 10:45:25 +0000 http://www.papersplease.org/wp/?p=550#comment-101414 [...] Secure Flight scheme will require the same for domestic flights as soon as the travel industry can build the elaborate and expensive infrastructure needed for such a real-time travel surveillance and control program.  Meanwhile, the DHS is [...] [...] Secure Flight scheme will require the same for domestic flights as soon as the travel industry can build the elaborate and expensive infrastructure needed for such a real-time travel surveillance and control program.  Meanwhile, the DHS is [...]

]]> By: Edward Hasbrouck http://www.papersplease.org/wp/2009/05/01/secure-flight-data-formats-added-to-the-airimp/#comment-100790 Edward Hasbrouck Wed, 27 May 2009 15:38:57 +0000 http://www.papersplease.org/wp/?p=550#comment-100790 There's more from <a HREF="http://www.travelweekly.com/article3_ektid195004.aspx" rel="nofollow">Travel Weekly</a> in an article worth reading in its entirety. Some excerpts: This month, the U.S. Transportation Security Administration officially rolled out the first public phase of its Secure Flight program, which requires domestic airlines to start collecting more precise passenger name identification information. That, of course, means that travel agents, GDSs, online travel companies and myriad other links in the distribution chain must fall into compliance, though when and how are not really clear.... [T]he TSA isn’t actually checking yet — and it won’t be checking for a while, though no one is really sure how long a while might be.... The airlines have staggered dates for compliance, depending on each carrier’s technological capabilities and on what arrangements it has worked out with the TSA.... What the TSA and airlines are doing now essentially amounts to a dry run to find out what bugs need to be ironed out for the airlines and its distribution channels before the agency begins enforcing the data collecting and screening. "It’s my understanding that the completion of the project will be final for all channels by end of October-beginning of November 2010," said Jim Martin, the North America product market manager for Amadeus. Martin coordinated the company’s efforts to meet the new security requirements for its GDS clients. That time frame is when it appears likely that the TSA will require the same data collection and transmission for international airlines, as well.... "I don’t think the TSA realized how many distribution channels the airlines have," Martin said. "This was a bigger project from the outset than the TSA realized."... The agency has taken knocks for having such rubber deadlines. In a report released last week, the U.S. Government Accountability Office said the TSA "schedule was more characteristic of a target deliverable plan than the work involved. … Moreover, likely program completion dates were not being driven by the schedule logic, but instead were being imposed by the program office in the form of target dates." There’s more from Travel Weekly in an article worth reading in its entirety. Some excerpts:

This month, the U.S. Transportation Security Administration officially rolled out the first public phase of its Secure Flight program, which requires domestic airlines to start collecting more precise passenger name identification information. That, of course, means that travel agents, GDSs, online travel companies and myriad other links in the distribution chain must fall into compliance, though when and how are not really clear…. [T]he TSA isn’t actually checking yet — and it won’t be checking for a while, though no one is really sure how long a while might be….

The airlines have staggered dates for compliance, depending on each carrier’s technological capabilities and on what arrangements it has worked out with the TSA….

What the TSA and airlines are doing now essentially amounts to a dry run to find out what bugs need to be ironed out for the airlines and its distribution channels before the agency begins enforcing the data collecting and screening.

“It’s my understanding that the completion of the project will be final for all channels by end of October-beginning of November 2010,” said Jim Martin, the North America product market manager for Amadeus. Martin coordinated the company’s efforts to meet the new security requirements for its GDS clients.

That time frame is when it appears likely that the TSA will require the same data collection and transmission for international airlines, as well…. “I don’t think the TSA realized how many distribution channels the airlines have,” Martin said. “This was a bigger project from the outset than the TSA realized.”…

The agency has taken knocks for having such rubber deadlines. In a report released last week, the U.S. Government Accountability Office said the TSA “schedule was more characteristic of a target deliverable plan than the work involved. … Moreover, likely program completion dates were not being driven by the schedule logic, but instead were being imposed by the program office in the form of target dates.”

]]> By: scott http://www.papersplease.org/wp/2009/05/01/secure-flight-data-formats-added-to-the-airimp/#comment-99376 scott Sun, 17 May 2009 09:09:02 +0000 http://www.papersplease.org/wp/?p=550#comment-99376 The USA has become a terrible place to live and work. Just terrible. Did I say terrible? I meant horrendous. The USA has become a terrible place to live and work. Just terrible. Did I say terrible? I meant horrendous.

]]> By: Papers, Please! » Blog Archive » Air France passenger data and “no-fly” orders http://www.papersplease.org/wp/2009/05/01/secure-flight-data-formats-added-to-the-airimp/#comment-99335 Papers, Please! » Blog Archive » Air France passenger data and “no-fly” orders Sat, 16 May 2009 22:51:57 +0000 http://www.papersplease.org/wp/?p=550#comment-99335 [...] crew members, and/or flights are or aren’t permitted to enter US airspace.  The TSA doesn’t expect to be ready to take over that role, as the last phase of the transition to its new Secure Flight system, until late in [...] [...] crew members, and/or flights are or aren’t permitted to enter US airspace.  The TSA doesn’t expect to be ready to take over that role, as the last phase of the transition to its new Secure Flight system, until late in [...]

]]> By: Edward Hasbrouck http://www.papersplease.org/wp/2009/05/01/secure-flight-data-formats-added-to-the-airimp/#comment-98492 Edward Hasbrouck Fri, 08 May 2009 13:51:12 +0000 http://www.papersplease.org/wp/?p=550#comment-98492 <a HREF="http://www.management.travel/news.php?cid=Secure-Flight-implementation-milestone.May-09.07" rel="nofollow">An article in Management.Travel</a> confirms many of these dates, based on information provided by travel agencies and CRSs, and gives more detail on the problems faced by travel companies: "'It really was a surprise to me how complex and intricate' the revised data collection process is, said Interactive Travel Services Association executive director Art Sackler. 'We said [to TSA during the rulemaking process], "There's much more here than meets the eye in terms of what has to be done to prepare for something like this, so we'll need a good 270 days from the time it comes into effect," and that's what they gave us.' ... GDS firms have begun or soon will begin using modified processes agreed to by TSA and various industry participants. Meanwhile, many corporate travel agencies -- from the largest mega travel management companies to smaller entities -- have been working to adapt their agent scripts and booking tools to include required Secure Flight data collection, and their profile systems to help reconcile name discrepancies." An article in Management.Travel confirms many of these dates, based on information provided by travel agencies and CRSs, and gives more detail on the problems faced by travel companies: “‘It really was a surprise to me how complex and intricate’ the revised data collection process is, said Interactive Travel Services Association executive director Art Sackler. ‘We said [to TSA during the rulemaking process], “There’s much more here than meets the eye in terms of what has to be done to prepare for something like this, so we’ll need a good 270 days from the time it comes into effect,” and that’s what they gave us.’ … GDS firms have begun or soon will begin using modified processes agreed to by TSA and various industry participants. Meanwhile, many corporate travel agencies — from the largest mega travel management companies to smaller entities — have been working to adapt their agent scripts and booking tools to include required Secure Flight data collection, and their profile systems to help reconcile name discrepancies.”

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